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How to Learn Order Flow Trading the RIGHT Way: 6-Stage Beginner Guide / Part 2

In part 1 of this article, we discussed what was likely 1 expected use of Order Flow Trading (reading pullbacks) and two that you might not have expected. One key point to consider before we continue. Notice that I said “reading pullbacks” and not “trading pullbacks”. This is one of those places where you truly start making trading your own. A pullback in an uptrend is like a V. You can take a trade when it’s going down the first slope of the V, at the bottom (if lucky) or on the way back.  It’s all about confidence and confirmation. If the market is still going down but you have a high conviction that this IS a pullback, then an early entry might be preferable as you think it might snap back at any time – so it’s a more aggressive entry. Buying the low – well, it’ll happen occasionally and sometimes the low of a pullback is very evident – often there’s clear absorption – but that doesn’t mean you’ll get filled. Better IMO to get in at market and pay up a tick. Then the way up at that point, you’ve seen the action on the way down, the turn and now – interested parties engaging upside. It’s still the same trade. The way I see it – you usually pay for confirmation in ticks. I’m saying this because you might be so focused on nailing the low each time and failing – you might miss the fact you are a total superhero of getting in 4 ticks higher as you see others join. That’d still make you a superhero – but we’d be getting into Superman vs Batman territory.

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Order Flow itself is simply information. Just like charts, it can be used in a number of ways, some good and some bad. But let's first break down order flow into it's components so we all agree what we are talking about:

Order Executions/Tape Reading - This aspect is the real flow of orders. It's the information we see in Time & Sales, Footprint Charts, Cumulative Delta. It is looking at market orders, either as they execute or historically. I guess this is the "true order flow". Every trade is a buy and a sell. We look at market orders because we consider them to be more aggressive. When someone trades with a market orders, they are giving up a price to get an instant fill. Limit orders on the other hand just lazily sit there waiting for a market order to hit them. Often these are market makers with no directional conviction. So we see market orders as being more significant.

But we don't use these in isolation.

Volume Profile/Positions - The tape reading part helps us assess various things like momentum, traders getting stuck, balance of trade BUT the volume profile helps us understand where people are positioned and likely to get stopped out. I sometimes call this "Order Flew". It's important to know when trades will be "washed out" - for example - if we have a volume cluster on the S&P500 Futures and the market moves up 100 points and back down to it, it's unlikely short term traders on either side that were positioned there will still be there. But recent, nearby volume helps us assess areas of positions.

Market Depth - The bids and offers, the lazy passive orders waiting to be hit. This is part of the story but in terms of overall importance, I'd put it at around 20% at most. For example - if you return to the high of the day on any market, the offers will be quite large directly above the high. It means nothing at all. It's just a quirk of the market. It does not help you tell if a price will hold. On the other hand, if you see large depth and as we approach it, we see more added to the depth in front of that price, it means others are front running that depth and that is a useful bit of information.

This is the key - it is all just information. Just like price charts are information. When people look at Order Flow, they consider it to be a technique more than a set of information. They look for things like iceberg orders and decide to make a one rule trading system to fade every iceberg, For these people - yes, order flow is overrated because they are trying to ignore everything else going on in the markets and construct a trading system a chimp could execute.

For those looking to improve a decent trading approach, the best thing to focus on in Order Flow is momentum. Once you can read momentum you can:

  • Avoid getting into positions when momentum is against you.
  • Confirm trades are working after entry when momentum goes your way.
  • Exit trades in profit when momentum fades.

That's perhaps the easiest way to use order flow because momentum is easier to read. It's about the market continuing to do what it's already doing. On the other hand, reading a turn in the market with order flow takes a higher level of skill and a little longer to learn.

Order flow can't put lipstick on a pig. It won't help you 'improve' something that doesn't work anyway, which is why whenever someone calls me, the first thing I ask is what they are currently doing and we discuss whether they need a reset or whether it will actually help.

When Jigsaw started back in 2011 - we were one of the first in the space and certainly had the best education. It was always going to attract the underbelly of the trading education/tools world and now we see stuff out there that is so complex but so impressive and futuristic that new traders are drawn to it like moths to a flame.

So here's my advice when looking at Order Flow

  • Order Flow can't improve something that doesn't work.
  • Order Flow can be used on it's own, without charts to enter and exit the market but you also have to be able to recognize different market states that need different/altered setups. There is nothing magical about this.
  • Don't start jumping at shadows and take 50 trades an hour in your first week looking at Order Flow, be selective. It can be exciting to see cause and effect play out in front of you for the first time but don't overtrade.
  • Do drills to learn how to read it before you trade it.
  • Markets can only go up and down. Don't overcomplicate it. If you have too many Order Flow tools on your screen - you will not be able to make consistent decisions. Less is more.
  • Take time to choose a market with a pace you like. Interest rates might send you to sleep, the DAX might give you a heart attack.

It is hard to see how a set of information could be overrated. It is true that some methods of presenting this information are better than others. It is also true that some people simply get on better with different tools (e.g. Footprint vs DOM).

There's a middle ground between complexity and simplicity that will leave you making consistent decisions where you improve over time. For those people, Order Flow will be way underrated because they will be the one's getting the most out of it.

Those that jump in with both feet on day one and those that have 100 different tools up, for those, it's a painful experience.

Keep it simple and manageable. Start with momentum reading and build from there. You will never look back.

Level 4 – Sitting Through “With Trend” moves. Level 3 was reading pullbacks. If you have just learnt to do that and then you use your skills to try and actively manage your trade, you might be disappointed. You might find you keep getting shaken out or taking small profits. That’s simply because the “with trend” move and “end of with trend move” are a lot more volatile than a pullback. If you see order flow as “just 1 thing” and that the ability to read order flow means “in all conditions” – then you’ll blame order flow when it “lets you down”. If you can read pullbacks well and struggle to improve the results by reading the “with trend” order flow – then don’t use it at all. Set your target and leave. There is no reason you ever MUST do more than that, if you are good at reading pullbacks and you’ve noticed that pullbacks are very often similar size on that day – just let it run. Bar chart with trend indicator When you see a pullback, it’s generally a weaker, slower move. Then if you enter there, you’ll see it picks up speed.

  • If a pullback ends in absorption then “with trend” traders jump in earlier.
  • In some pullbacks, “with trend” traders suddenly jump in
  • In some pullbacks “with trend” traders don’t jump in till we are near the peak of move before the pullback

But – you should see a pick-up – it just depends how quickly people recognize the pullback ended. From that point it is much faster action and it will be more volatile relative to the pullback. Which basically means it’s gonna shake you out in what appear to be aggressive pushes against you.    Level 5 – Sitting in a trade through multiple with/counter trend moves.  If you can handle a pullback and a with trend move, then you should be able to sit through many consecutive pullbacks and with trend moves, right? The thing is – if you trade pullbacks, you’ll know one thing for sure – they don’t all look like pullbacks. I can only speak for myself – but this sort of “jumping on a pullback” trade is quite selective. You don’t take every pullback, you take the ones that are more obvious. Maybe you have a specific thing you want to see (like absorption) at the end of a pullback, so you focus on those.  Bar chart with trend indicator There’s good arguments for not ever trying to manage trades like this with Order Flow. There’s arguments that just letting it go are better. Also – if you just let it go – you are making fewer decisions during the trade. If you watch like a hawk and make 20 decisions during the life of the trade to stay in – then you need all of those decisions to be right. I’m not saying you should not do it. Some people are naturals at reading order flow. What I would say is that you should assess whether it’s right for you or not by comparing your results with what would have happened if you’d just let it run.   Level 6 – Trading a News Event With a news event, you definitely want to sit through pullback as volatility goes through the roof. Trading is all about making the most of the opportunity the markets give us on any day. News is the thing that brings in the most volatility – but traders are advised against it because it is “too risky” – but don’t WE set the risk on our trades? News moves are the most volatile. That means wider stops and targets. It means smaller size for many. The good thing about news moves, is you expected the news, you see the market react to it as you expected – you really do know with a high degree of confidence that this move was generated by that news.  The moves generated are way more volatile – which makes them tough to read – but you aren’t trying to read every tick – you are looking for the crowd to wane overall. Pullbacks are brutal and timing an entry simply isn’t possible much of the time – so you are often going to get in on the right side of the market but still sit through a brutal comeback.  Like anything – if you focus on it and have the aptitude, you’ll learn it. What you can’t do is go from level 1 – not getting run over to level 6 overnight. Conclusion The lesson here, I think, is that you don’t want to ruin order flow for yourself by trying to do something too advanced initially. I don’t so much care that you skip a level – I just care you don’t quit because you did so without realizing you were taking on too much. Good luck.

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